if wishes were fishes ... comment on wishlist ranking

Author: ulrichmerkel@web.de (ulrich-merkel)

As long as 200 voters rate it LOWEST, it goes to the top of the wishlist

 

Let me quote some lines from Ton Blankers Article:

July 14th, 2010 Report on Uniface wish list

 

On July 9th 2009 the Wishlist application went live. As promised this is the second report on Uniface wishes. Every 6 months the Uniface Lab will publish a report a wish “top 10” and what the plans are to implement wishes in the next Uniface version.

Since the start of the wishlist application in total 138 wishes have been received. The voting mechanism of the Community website has been used to create the following wish “Top 10 July 2010”

    • (1,165)             Have the possibility to interrupt a Uniface process. 
    • (-,153)             Reduce unnececessary related entity warning (FireSongKT)
    • (-,127)                         Advanced String handling methods (GHAN)
    • (2,145)             Support for Regular expressions (Sochaz)
    • (9, 124)            Grid dynamic column resize/hide/show/move (addice)
    • (4, 124)            Code sensitive in UDE (apicaud)3.   
    • ( 3, 116)           Open Hitlist / Pagination (GHAN)
    • (5,112)             Color Management in uniface 9.x (gypsilon)
    • (-,108)                         Ability to use .net forms)
    • (8,108)             Goto definition for procedure calls and operations (ishankter)

Between brackets previous position and wish rating=number of votes * average rating

 

 

Comment Icon ulrich-merkel  
  Jul 16, 2010 8:54 AM
  Hi Iain, good point that we need a better participation of the members; but when the number of voters is +/- even for each wish, a simple average will do the job. What is rated as HIGH will be on top of the list, what is rated LOW is at the end. Success, Uli
Comment Icon apicaud  
  Jul 15, 2010 4:15 PM
  Where is the schedule for the future. I need for 2 customers Oracle 11gR2 on HPK and RSD but I can't inform my customers about the support on this database. Also, can you specify in the PAM, it's the Oracle client 32 bits only on 64 bits plate forme.
Comment Icon FiresongKt  
  Jul 15, 2010 9:47 AM
  I agree, besides, average * no of voters = total points assigned. However, they need to reflect the popularity of a suggestion in the totals. All I can suggest is that we all try to do what I try to do, which is to rate everything that is posted, rather than just for or against specific interests. That way the baseline is more fixed. Unless you have a better statistical method for prioritising from variable inputs?
Comment Icon ulrich-merkel  
  Jul 14, 2010 5:33 PM
  As I mentioned before, using the calculation "rating=number of votes * average rating" puts´the 1 of 100 voters (=100) on top of the list, while a 10 from 9 voters = 90 comes last. is this a fair calculation? I don't think so. Very disappointing, Uli

 

 

A quote from my discussion paper:

current wishlist statistics (100113)

by ulrich-merkel
    Change the moderation status by clicking the following links.Approved1 star of excellence2 stars of excellence3 stars of excellence
 
  Introduction

 
 
Statistics about the current wish situation (100113)
 
     

it took me some 100  mins to extract the rating and no-of-voters from all the detail screens
(others have the ability to export wish-data into an excel format)

But here is a first little statistic:

Statistics: Average 6,9 7,1 48,2
Statistics: StdDev 1,9 3,0 27,0
Statistics: Minimum 2,2 1 5
Statistics: Maximum 10 18 142,2
 
rating 100113 voters 100113 rate*voters

As we see, only some 7 out of 950 members vote this makes less than 1% !!!

Should we really base our selection to such a micro-minority of the registered members
which wishes makes it to the Top10 and get viewed/fulfilled, ..
 

Assume there are 10 registered employees of a softwarehouse
rating all "their" wishes to "10"
and all "foreign" wishes to "1"

what about minorities or softwarehouses with only 5 registered emplyees?

 

  Sven_Hedqvist  
  Jan 21, 2010 12:23 PM
  Well spoken Uli /Sven Hedqvist

 

4 Comments

  1. Moved from Articles to Forum for an open and "flagged" discussion on that important matter.


    Author: ulrich-merkel (ulrichmerkel@web.de)
  2. Hi Uli and others,

     

    a little clarification on the list of wishes and their rating

    The calculated number is of course an just indication of the importance of a wish calculated with available info on uniface.info. The more people using the voting mechanism the accurate the wishlist prio becomes. Statistics with the actual number of voters is always something to be very careful with and the actual decision process which wishes are actually implemented definitely also looks at forum topics, direct feedback from customers and input from user conferences. To increase the accuracy of the wish list please encourage fellow community members to use the voting mechanism as this at the moment by far the most accurate mechanism.

    From the top 10 wishes I looked at the voting results and there are no wishes in this list which got a high rating because many people voted for it at a low number. On the contrary when a wish is voted for by many people the rating is also often high. Those are the typical wishes which are in the top ten. 

    If you see a better calculation based on the available info I'm very interested of course to discuss that.

     

    kind regards Ton


    Author: None (None)
  3. Why not the rating itself:

    If a wish has a rating of 10, it has to be top of the list,
    because all the voters have decided that it belongs there.

    Success, Uli

     


    Author: ulrich-merkel (ulrichmerkel@web.de)
  4. Hi all,

    we can discuss to find the correct formula for at least an indication of importance. As Ton stated, variants of the formular doesn't change
    the Top-10-list so much in practical. In my opinion, changing rules during the game is not a good idea.

    More important is: Currently we collect wishes over one year, there are at least something of 12 comments from compuware on single wishes. No
    further commitments. 
    For me it is still not clear, what can we expect in Version 9.5., and when can we expect 9.5.?
    What happens in the background? Did compuware start to develop some of the wishes or do they still plan and wait on more inputs?


    Kind regards
    Wolfgang
     


    Author: gypsilon (wva@gypsilon.de)